Episode 4: Racism

Episode 4: Enlighten Me on 5 Things Learned about Racism with Janell Elliott

In this conversation I talk with my friend Janell about the 5 things she has learned about racism. This conversation was originally part of a small conference that Janell spoke at and she was willing to share her five main points on the podcast. Janell approaches this conversation with humility, vulnerability, and wisdom towards the fact that she has more to learn and will probably mess up, but also with wisdom that she can’t let that fear hold her back from talking about something that is important and relevant in our society and needs more open and honest conversations. References to all resources mentioned in the interview are linked below.

1. Racism is real.
2. We must put aside shame so we can learn.
3. Our nations history matters.
4. Proximity is important.
5. What do we do with this information?


Born a Crime by Trevor Noah:

Propaganda – 20 Years:

Roots Series (remake):

The Myth of Equality by Ken Wytsma:

Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson:

The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas:

All American Boys by Brendan Kiely and Jason Reynolds:

Seven Seconds:

Fruitvale Station:


Lime Ricki:

Mindy Maes Market:

Janell’s Instagram:


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